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For 162 Seconds, Clinton Lies

- June 5, 2016

On ABC’s This Week, Clinton Repeatedly Rejected Facts, Reciting Debunked Talking Points To Dispute The State Dept. Inspector General Report That Found She Was In Violation Of Federal Rules. ABC's GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: "Madam secretary, on the e-mail issue as you know the state department inspector general was quite tough on your practices and it concluded I want to show it right here that Secretary Clinton had 'an obligation to discuss using her personal e-mail account to conduct official business with their offices, and according to these official, diplomatic security and the information resource management offices did not and would not approve her exclusive reliance on a personal email account to conduct department business because of the restricts in the foreign affairs manual and the security risk in doing so.' Do you know accept their conclusion that your exclusive use of a personal account was not allowed, that you broke state department rules?" CLINTON: "You know, look, George, I thought that the report actually made it clear that the practice I used was used by other secretaries, other high ranking state department officials." STEPHANOPOULOS: "No one else had exclusive use…" CLINTON: "If I had to -- if I had to do it over again I certainly wouldn't. But I think that the rules were not clarified until after I had left, because it had been the practice of others. There was certainly reason to believe which I did that what I practiced was in keeping with others' practices." STEPHANOPOULOS: "But you were the only one who had exclusive use of a personal account. Secretary Powell did have a personal e-mail account, as well and they were very, very clear." CLINTON: "You know…" STEPHANOPOULOS: "Go ahead." CLINTON: "George, I have to tell you that, you know, I will say it was a mistake. I would not do it again. But I think that the rules were not clarified until after I had left and the first secretary of state to use a government e-mail account was John Kerry some months into his tenure. Those are the facts." STEPHANOPOULOS: "But the report -- so you don't accept the conclusion of the report because they say you were unmindful of the rules." CLINTON: "Everybody in the Department knew that I was e-mailing from a personal address. Hundreds of people knew it. People around the government knew it and, you know, that was what the practice had been and that's what I did, as well." STEPHANOPOULOS: "So I'll take you don't accept their conclusion. just one other question on this. Have you had any contact yet with the FBI, you or your agents over this matter?" CLINTON: "I have not been asked to come in for an interview. I've said I am more than willing since last august and I would like to do that sooner instead of later and get this matter wrapped up and behind us." (ABC's "This Week," 6/5/16)

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LIE 1: Clinton's Claimed That Her Practices Were In Line With Her Predecessors

Clinton's Claim That Her "Predecessors Did The Same Thing" With A Secret Server Has Been Rated As Mostly False By PolitiFact. "Clinton said, regarding her State Department email practices, 'my predecessors did the same thing.' This is a misleading claim chiefly because only one prior secretary of state regularly used email, Colin Powell. Powell did use a personal email address for government business, however he did not use a private server kept at his home, as Clinton did. We rate this claim Mostly False." (Lauren Carroll, "Hillary Clinton Said 'My Predecessors Did The Same Thing,' With Email" PolitiFact , 3/9/16)

LIE 2: Clinton Claimed Rules Were Not Clarified Until She Left The Department

NBC News Headline: "Clinton Broke Federal Rules With Email Server, Audit Finds" (Ken Dilanian, "Clinton Broke Federal Rules With Email Server, Audit Finds," NBC News, 5/25/16)

Reuters Headline: "Clinton Email Server Broke Government Rules, Watchdog Finds" (Jonathan Allen, "Clinton Email Server Broke Government Rules, Watchdog Finds," Reuters, 5/25/16)

The Associated Press Headline: "State Dept Audit Faults Clinton In Emails" (Michael Biesecker and Bradley Klapper, "State Dept Audit Faults Clinton In Emails," APNewsBreak, 5/25/16)

The Washington Post Headline: "State Dept. Inspector General Report Sharply Criticizes Clinton's Email Practices" (Rosalind Helderman and Tom Hamburger, "State Dept. Inspector General Report Sharply Criticizes Clinton's Email Practices," The Washington Post , 5/25/16)

The New York Times Headline: "Hillary Clinton Is Criticized For Private Emails In State Dept. Review" (Steven Lee Myers, "Hillary Clinton Is Criticized For Private Emails In State Dept. Review,"The New York Times, 5/25/16)

NBC News Headline: "Clinton Broke Federal Rules With Email Server, Audit Finds" (Ken Dilanian, "Clinton Broke Federal Rules With Email Server, Audit Finds," NBC News, 5/25/16)

Reuters Headline: "Clinton Email Server Broke Government Rules, Watchdog Finds" (Jonathan Allen, "Clinton Email Server Broke Government Rules, Watchdog Finds," Reuters, 5/25/16)

CNN Headline: "State Department Report Slams Clinton Email Use" (Ryan Browne and Evan Perez, "State Department Report Slams Clinton Email Use," CNN, 5/25/16)

According To The OIG, Clinton's Failure To Surrender Her Emails When She Left The State Department Represents A Failure To Comply With The Federal Records Act. "At a minimum, Secretary Clinton should have surrendered all emails dealing with Department business before leaving government service and, because she did not do so, she did not comply with the Department's policies that were implemented in accordance with the Federal Records Act." ("Office Of The Secretary: Evaluation Of Email Records Management And Cybersecurity Requirements," State Department Office Of Inspector General, 5/25/16)

  • In Its Report, OIG Noted That There Are Still Months Long Gaps In The Emails That Clinton Turned Over. "NARA agrees with the foregoing assessment but told OIG that Secretary Clinton's production of 55,000 pages of emails mitigated her failure to properly preserve emails that qualified as Federal records during her tenure and to surrender such records upon her departure. OIG concurs with NARA but also notes that Secretary Clinton's production was incomplete. For example, the Department and OIG both determined that the production included no email covering the first few months of Secretary Clinton's tenure-from January 21, 2009, to March 17, 2009, for received messages; and from January 21, 2009, to April 12, 2009, for sent messages." ("Office Of The Secretary: Evaluation Of Email Records Management And Cybersecurity Requirements," State Department Office Of Inspector General, 5/25/16)
  • "OIG Also Learned That The 55,000-Page Production Did Not Contain Some Emails That An External Contact Not Employed By The Department Sent To Secretary Clinton Regarding Department Business." ("Office Of The Secretary: Evaluation Of Email Records Management And Cybersecurity Requirements," State Department Office Of Inspector General, 5/25/16)

Regulations Implemented In 2005 Prohibited The Use Of A Personal Server To Conduct Government Business On A Regular Basis. " The Department's current policy, implemented in 2005, is that normal day-to-day operations should be conducted on an authorized Automated Information System (AIS), which 'has the proper level of security control to … ensure confidentiality, integrity, and availability of the resident information.' The FAM defines an AIS as an assembly of hardware, software, and firmware used to electronically input, process, store, and/or output data." ("Office Of The Secretary: Evaluation Of Email Records Management And Cybersecurity Requirements," State Department Office Of Inspector General, 5/25/16)

LIE 3: Clinton Claimed Hundreds Of People Knew About Her Secret Server

State Department Spokesman Mark Toner Said That "No One Had A Full And Complete Understanding" Of Clinton's Secret Server. QUESTION: "One thing here, the report says, you state that there is no absolute prohibition on the use of personal email. Which is true, however, beginning in late 2005, and continuing through 2011, the department revised the foreign affairs manual and issued various memoranda, specifically discussing the obligation to use department systems in most circumstances. So, there was an obligation to use department systems in most circumstances, correct? Are you disputing that?" STATE DEPARTMENT SPOKESMAN MARK TONER: "Again, I don't, I mean I don't, if you are quoting me chapter and verse, I'm not going to dispute that, but it wasn't prohibited." QUESTION: "In occasional circumstances but it was prohibited to do it in every circumstance. Because the obligation here is that in most circumstances you have to use the department systems. So when you say it is not absolutely prohibited, you are right, but you are not right if you use that statement to suggest that it was acceptable to use it in most circumstances, because Secretary Clinton used it in every circumstance. Correct?" TONER: "But again, in an answer to your second question, while people were aware of her use of personal email, no one had a full and complete understanding of, to the extent." (State Department Press Briefing, 5/25/16)

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According To The OIG, Senior State Department Officials Who Served Under Secretary Clinton "Stated That They Were Unaware Of The Scope Or Extent Of Secretary Clinton's Use Of A Personal Email Account." "In addition to interviewing current and former officials in DS and IRM, OIG interviewed other senior Department officials with relevant knowledge who served under Secretary Clinton, including the Under Secretary for Management, who supervises both DS and IRM; current and former Executive Secretaries; and attorneys within the Office of the Legal Adviser. These officials all stated that they were not asked to approve or otherwise review the use of Secretary Clinton's server and that they had no knowledge of approval or review by other Department staff. These officials also stated that they were unaware of the scope or extent of Secretary Clinton's use of a personal email account, though many of them sent emails to the Secretary on this account. Secretary Clinton's Chief of Staff also testified before the House Select Committee on Benghazi that she was unaware of anyone being consulted about the Secretary's exclusive use of a personal email address." ("Office Of The Secretary: Evaluation Of Email Records Management And Cybersecurity Requirements," State Department Office Of Inspector General, 5/25/16)


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